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from: zak mayer
re: spiritual masturbation
comments: "WOOOOO GOD DAMN JOE NICE JOB ON THE ARTICLE. You, my friend, are enlightened more so than you even think you know. If you were the re-incarnation of Christ himself, wwjd? AHAHAHAH =) Anyway, as you can tell I like the article. I find few flaws with it as you and I seem to share the same base opinions about christians and "CHRISTeeeans." You can use that if you want. or make it better, I think it would be a great definition to put into terms those who have lost sight of true belief in Christ and his teachings. You have a way with words my friend, a true way. Good luck, I'd like to see responses and your rebutles posted below this article! =)"

response: "i guess praise is a comment as well. you do bring up a good point about being a christian and being a *christ*ian as well. being a christian has taken on a whole new meaning the past 2000 years that to simple limit the defintion to what is in the bible and what jesus said is very limiting, but it should be the base. we see, especially with protestantism, that they wish to reject all christian history prior to luther's 95 thesis and simply base things off the bible. which is interesting because in no place does it say that 'he descended into hell'. and the trinity should be carved out as well, i guess. anywho, being a christian is a lifestyle, but not one apart from the rest of the world. to huddle in prayer groups and constantly scorn yourself for things you do wrong is a waste of time. perhaps this is why catholicism appeals to be so much, since it acknowledges that we mess up and can ask for forgiveness at any time, and that we need not dwell on this issue further. it is good to be christ like, but not in the manner in which it was done back then. fighting hunger is not done by giving bread and fishes, but by contributing to world hunger funds when our direct involvement is not able to be done. some of us simply aren't called to be missionaries. or the dreadful need to control the population which didn't exist back then. contraception is a good thing, and one point i differ with catholicism about (thought with vatican ii, i need not worry anymore!). regardless, it boils down between taking a historical view of the bible and a literal view of the bible. those not wishing to take a historical view are limiting christ's teachings, and for this we enter the masturbatory ways i describe at times. thanks for commenting, but if you want to spell out that difference between christian and *christ*ian, i invite you to do just that."